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The Fourth Turning

Neil Howe is a generational theorist who has been talking about the upcoming crisis since 1997.  Here is a link to a video if a show he did in 1997.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_WXBt3Pa0g

It really does sound accurate as a foreboding.

 

Here is his blog just this past month he lists a series of specific issues that seem to be heralding where we are going next, with this interesting bit about the gap in world view between the general public and the CFR.  Some of it seems obvious, as peons will worry more about how to feed themselves and their children than will those for whom the money always flows.  

http://blog.lifecourse.com/category/turnings/4th-turning-crisis/ 

4. On opinions about America’s future, a growing rift is now emerging between the experts and the public. Today’s experts tend to focus on near-term and on a fairly narrow range of conventionally defined outcomes—and they are generally more optimistic. Today’s public tends to focus on the long-term and on a fairly broad range of possible options—and the public is generally more pessimistic. On the economy, experts talk a lot about the next year or two and they typically apply an aggregate demand model that has been tested over the normal  postwar recessions. Most of them are projecting a steady if not dramatic recovery. The public—and many less conventional experts—focus more on changes in household and corporate balance sheets, on structural changes in consumer behavior (toward more savings and less risk), and on the long-term erosion of institutional trust. They’re interested in longer-term outcomes, like whether I can change jobs, retire on time, or feel good about my kids’ prospects. And, with all that on their minds, they’re coming to more pessimistic conclusions about the economy’s direction.

When  Pew compared the foreign-policy views of the public to the views of the 642 members of the  Council of Foreign Relations, they found a similar rift. On almost every issue, the CFR members were more optimistic—and their optimism had declined less during the 2000s decade—than the public. The public, for example, is much more worried about  nuclear Iran,  North Korea, the rising power of China, the tension between Russia and its neighbors, and terrorist attacks on America than the CFR members. They are also more worried about how foreign policy can save their jobs and prevent illegal immigration. The list of issues that worried the experts more than the public (global warming,  instability in Pakistan) was much shorter.

 

But in the end I am not sure I understand which way he is projecting this ball to bounce.  

Thought I’d share the video though, pretty cool how accurate he was.

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JAG wrote:

  I am not seeing that on my screen JAG is that showing up in the post??  The links both work for me....  Can you tell me where you get this?

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Land,

That was a subtle hint to use the site search field to search for your topic in previous threads before posting a thread. I was just half joking because I'm guilty of thread inflation as well.

I'm a huge Neil Howe fan. Have you seen his Lifecourse Blog ?

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Yes,  one of the links is to the blog,  but more specifically and the reason I bring him back to the fore, is that he is referring to the CFR in the passage I linked to,  which many members on here find of specific interest.  

I looked back and found reference to him but it was back quite some time.  Since this part of the site is open and has many new comers,  I decided it was best to assume ignorance of the subject on the part of the reader.....      Perhaps I erred.  Mea Culpa.

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I couldn't agree more. Thanks for sharing this information. I really enjoyed surfing through this website.

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I just listened to the 4th turning in audio book form - wow - I can't image what the book was like. Now history starts to look like a "rewind" or play in reverse.

I give the Fourth Turning - 5 out of 5 stars. It makes for a better case of cyclatory events better than the Jupiter Effect did in the 70s-80s.

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Re: The Fourth Turning

Great book. JAG recommended it to me. Bought it 6 months ago, just finished it last week. Ordered 4 copies for friends. 

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After listening to the audio I bought the book and looking forward to doing the read on the Fourth Turning. I have several "must see"s in front of it - "The Code" by Carl Munck and "The Mysteriious Origins of Man: Rewriting Human History" (3 part series from Netflix) as I look into the possibility that the warnings echoed from ancients had any message on how to survive these ongoing disasters in human history.

It all seems so surreal.

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Re: The Fourth Turning

 I had read the book  eight years ago and  it was enough to  kick me in the butt to take personal action .   Thank you for the reminder  .  Sometimes we just feel so powerless  and give up hope .

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