The Definite Offensive Measures Thread

andrewo,

welcome to the forum. I agree, I'd choose New Zealand over The USA in a heart beat. 95% of my thinking tells me I came to that conclusion without being scientific!!! Maybe those stats I read on the amount of Americans with passports (under 20% from memory) has some point in explaining the dichotomy proceeding above?

Fellow Brit ...

Best,

Paul

Now let me see, how many people in the US would have credit cards..... no, MULTIPLE credit cards!  say 200 million, multiplied by five cards, that's uh..... one billion card accounts, then there must be 100 million mortgages, and car loans......

So, exactly how many courts do you think it would take to deal with 25% of 1.2 billion (that's ~300 million) unserviced payments? And then if you just ignored the court orders and judgements, well the cops would have no time on their hands, the jails would be overflowing to the roofs, the government would be sent bankrupt trying to pay to enforce the law....... etc etc etc, and just imagine if we ALL did this!!!!!!  And besides, even before any courts could be called into action, the entire planet's cashflow would just grind to a total halt.

Mike

How many courts would it take?  They would just use every court in the land just as they do now.

Why would you want the entire planets cash flow to grind to a halt?  Do you realize that your worst nightmare would occour?  Byron Dale said it best, when he said if you think you can survive through that you're plum crazy, either that or a pretty good cananballist.

How about we fix the problem, and the problem being that all of our medium of exchange is created as interest bearing loans for the benifit of the banking system.  We need to start putting money into circulation that doesn't have to be borrowed (destroy the banking systems monopoly over the creation of money as interest bearing loans) and then in time outlaw usury all together.

Fortunately, we have some concrete evidence of what may happen when a state decides to participate in the issuance of new money.  Ellen Brown recently wrote:

Larry, but Ellen goes onto explain that the North Dakota Bank is still just another bank that collectivly puts people deeper and deeping in debt every year.

I'm not an advocate of "fractional reserve" lending but this example shows that the power of the state may be underrated in a time when we are led to believe all action takes place in washington.  The Minnesota plan (MTA) is more fair to other states as it does not multiply the money supply, it demands that each new dollar be endowed with the value added transportation infrastructure assets to promote commerce and safety.

The MTA is different because it does not create more interest bearing debt in the system.  It creates true money (final payment) all based on wealth with no debt and no taxation which would allow the unpayable interest in our system to be paid.  It's all about I own - vs- I owe, Honesty - vs- Fraud.  The MTA would transfer ownership of the money to the people instead of having the people owe all the money to people who didn't have anything in the first place.

The North Dakota Bank simply isn't a fix at it's current state.  All the State of North Dakota would have to do it go one step further and start having the bank create final payment instead of interest bearing loans.

Thanks for the welcome. I'm a refugee from another site which turned into a hatespeechfest. Just too nasty to tolerate in the end.

Back to the topic:

I chose not to go to the UK because I thought 65 million (and counting) on a small island just wasn't going to work in the long term. Also without wanting to  be seen as racist, I didn't think the immigration open door policy of the 60's was sensible. It has washed away some of the better parts of what used to be British culture. The other aspect was that having left it's easier to see the faults in the place. I didn't like the highly stratified class system and I didn't like the ever more paternalistic government. I gather this has reached new heights under Blair.

You hit on an important point when mentioning the % of Americans with a passport. I think this statistic explains a lot: it explains some of the parochial decisions coming out of the USA. It explains the incompetence of US foreign policy for the last 50 years.

Churchill said: Americans always do the right thing, having tried all the alternatives

This points to simple ignorance of international affairs and other peoples cultures rather than any ill intent. IMO

Whoa there Tex...

Ok as an Ex-Pat Brit and American I think I can explain some of the issues that you see with US Foreign relations and insularity.

Remember this, the US is a relatively young country, 1776 was the founding of the US, if you think of all other countries that are that age, tell me how many are as large a player as the US? The UK history goes back nearly 2000 years, indeed all of Europe can trace their histories back around a thousand years, China of course has been around for ever. Hell I remember going on a tour and being told "this is the oldest part of Seattle, and its over a hundred years old", I thought this was an interesting anecdote, since my school dated to before the founding of the US, which was of course founded by the people of the US for the people of the US and the rest of the world could go to hell.

The nearest comparison to the US (culturally and historically) on the world stage would be Australia, but this is only a minor player (Mike, sorry but it is true to a large extent) and it's foreign policies are mostly unknown to the world, because, well, its a minor player. I actually think that the US is not treated fairly by the "old world" since they expect that in 300 years the US can come up to the same levels of sophistication that took 1000 years of in-fighting in the old world to achieve the style of foreign policies that they currently have. 

Also before someone jumps in and says "Aha! but you guys took the role as world leader", think about did the US really, or was it pushed into that position. In '45 did the US grasp a world leader status, or did De Gaulle and Churchill prevent it from returning to its previously insular state? We will never know, but it bears thinking about.

Thomas wrote:

The MTA is different because it does not create more interest bearing debt in the system. It creates true money (final payment) all based on wealth with no debt and no taxation which would allow the unpayable interest in our system to be paid. It's all about I own - vs- I owe, Honesty - vs- Fraud.

Thanks for pointing that out.  I brought up the Dakota bank as proof that states may indeed charter their own banks and it is very interesting that they are doing well while almost every other state has rising unemployment and lot's of red ink. 

The MTA, and debt free money, is a much better approach.  The MTA decouples washington's subjugation while eliminating wall street's usury.

Larry