And the Swine Flu won't go away

Cloudfire;

Okay, I get where you're going with this cull theory regarding the vaccine. I'm not ready to buy into it but I find the discussion interesting. A close friend of mine thinks along the lines of what Alex Jones has been saying.I've been entertaining these theories simply because 2 years ago I would (didn't) believe I'd ever hear anything about forced vaccinations. Look where we are now not to mention the recent declaration of this being a State of Emergency. Too many things have come true to simply ignore the theories but I'm still questioning everything on all sides.

Just to entertain the idea, I don't think that H1N1 or it's vaccine is 'the one'. Maybe it's just a test run on how populations will receive (mandatory or voluntary) mass vaccinations. So the thought was that the vaccine might have something in it for the next virus that comes out so that those who have had this vaccine would be more prone to getting the new virus. As far as I understand this might be some of the thinking of the conspiracy theorists.

I was discussing this with my better half recently because she said she would get the vaccine if there weren't using animal products (squaline contains shark oil) because she has asthma and tends to catch viruses easily despite our very healthy lifestyles. I have refused the vaccine because I haven't fully weighed the risks and I just don't trust that this toxic stew doesn't have long term ill effects  (and just in case the theorists are right).

During our discussions she said she just couldn't buy the conspiracy theories because she doesn't understand why TPTB would do this to their own populations. She did say she could understand that corporation could release a virus simply to make a profit off their 'cure' (think ADHD and depression and all of the drugs peddled to cure these ailments when dietary and lifestyle changes could easily remedy). She understands that there could be a conspiracy to cull a large portion of the world's population but she just doesn't understand why they'd do this to their own underlings rather than to doing this to the others.

This got me thinking... What if this vaccine might actually be a vaccine for what is to come? Perhaps the next virus is designed to wipe out anyone who didn't get this vaccine (possibly combined with the last)?

Like you were thinking. Those who chose to avoid this vaccine are obviously non compliant members of the sheeple. Maybe they want to force vaccinations on the compliant populations because they are so willing to comply? Maybe they are the ones they want to save? All those who don't comply in addition with entire population classes and countries that couldn't afford the vaccine could be wiped out by the next big virus. It certainly would look a lot more legit and it would certainly be logistically easier to vaccinate the ones they want to save wouldn't it? If this was some sort of genocide I really don't think they'd be so dumb to be so blatant about it.

Just some thoughts that I'd like to hear your take on it.


On another note... I'd like to see a few more statistics regarding H1N1 and the vaccine. I'd like to see side by side the death toll from the virus, the death toll from complications due to the virus, and specifically the amount of people that have still caught the virus regardless of being vaccinated (also with those death tolls).


Last note... I have found it really annoying that my Canadian government has put out this recent campaign that says "recognizing H1N1". What irked me is that it lists side by side the symptoms of a common cold vs H1N1. I just wished they would have listed either H1N1 vs seasonal Influenza or better yet, H1N1 vs seasonal Influenza vs common cold vs Norwalk virus.

Peas

Yes, this is precisely what I think is one possibility.  What we can be sure of is that they're up to something.  The publicly available data makes no sense, in the context of a true pandemic and appropriate response to the threat.  But which theory is accurate?  I simply don't feel confident enough to make a recommendation, at this time.  It's a bugger . . . My gut currently tells me to take this vaccine, and here is why: . . . The negative alternative press on it is so hot that it would be blatantly obvious if they actually put a destructive compound in it.  But, if the plan was, through social engineering,  to ensure that only compliant persons took the vaccine, and then to release a pathogen with a high kill rate for unvaccinated persons, then the outcome would be very different.  It would eliminate persons who think too much, and are likely, as a result, to be noncompliant with government edicts.  Then they would have acheived their goal of decreasing the population while simultaneously reshaping the mindset of that population.  Additionally, the idea that one should listen to their government would be strongly reinforced.  Poof!  The "wake up" movement is sent back in time by 50 years.

This sort of logic bugs me, too, Ruhh.  Here's some information, based on experience, that may be helpful:  How Can I Tell If I Have the Swine Flu?  Although not definitive, this assessment, combined with epidemiological statistics reflecting the number of cases in your vacinity, will provide you with a fair estimate of the likelihood of your having H1N1. 

yoshhash wrote:

I am late to this conversation, not even sure what my stance is on this, but everybody on this thread needs to check out this fascinating bit of news which has not made it into the mainstream media, possibly for deliberate reasons.

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/commen...

Interesting for sure.  I don't know what to make of it but here is some more info:

Has Baxter International released a biological weapon?

 

I've just been waiting for these reports to start popping up.

This is precisely the kind of report that I suspect is designed to get us to believe that the vaccine is dangerous, and to seduce us into a decision to refuse it.  I don't, for one minute, believe this story.  It is structured in a way that only a died-in-the-wool sheeple wouldn't be able to connect the dots . . . . Just look at the all-too-obvious red flags:  Vaccine, Baxter, the Ukraine, and the ever popular do-gooder having a stand-off with the police.  Can't we see the hyper-drama in this?  The more I see of this sort of fear-mongering, the more I wonder if we should take the vaccine after all . . .

This story requires us to believe that TPTB are so unintelligent that they would choose the same company (Baxter) to release yet another bad vaccine.  Not only that, they would release it in an area where one of the worst chemical warfare atrocities in recent years was perpetrated.  And, if that weren't enough, they didn't manage to surveil the people who were privy to the plan well enough to keep a lid on it. 

I have bad news for you folks . . . Our enemy is much smarter than that.

Such a conundrum.

 

I admit to only have skimmed the responsesbut I wanted to add a quickie note- The ones they wanted vaccinated first were "at-risk chidren", AKA asthsma, diabetes, cp, downs, . . . and thier caregivers. Now if culling was a thought anywhere in this - wouldn't it be those most financially burdening on society?

The other injection - given the fast speading of the H1N1 - we are now hearing of hemoragic fever and that's a sure-fire panic-demic. I'm making my list and checking it twice - this christmas there will be no toys, only stocked cupboards, isolation-ist items and power generating gifts.

EGP

Cloudfire wrote:

This story requires us to believe that TPTB are so unintelligent that they would choose the same company (Baxter) to release yet another bad vaccine.

I don't think the story requires us to believe anything.  It is information, some substantiated, some not.  There is no need to jump to conclusions and equally, no need to write it off because of preconceived notions of the PTB.

Actually, if you believe that, the tool to create a one world government is using the expensesof the addicted, sick and indigent along with criminals  to "crash" the system so it can be "rescued" by the socialists.  So of course they wouldn't want to kill off those folks -- just the ones who oppose them.  Those "nonproductive" persons are only eliminated after the socialists come to power, because socialist rulers are not characterized by compasion, intelligence, enlightenment, and benevolence.  To come to power in a Socialist state one must be rutheless, cunning and cruel.

That's an interesting perspective, Doc.  Are you being straight when you suggest it, or sarcastic?  Sorry, I can't tell . . . The phrase, "If you believe that . . . " throws me off a bit . . .

I was trying to step back as a dispassionate 3rd party saying if you believe that the fed and the monetary crisis is just a tool to lead to a crisis solved by one world government then they would try to maintain the current entitlement class and productivity eating environmental war on global warming to further their agenda.

Of course I added the last statement as my opinion of why socialist states ultimately fail is that their leadership turns out not to be altruistic, brilliant, educated, and gifted leadership "out to help the folks", but ruthless selfish greedy men out to "control the folks".

That is probably why it is confusing, i should have made it 2 paragraphs sorry.

I am really not in the one world government conspiracy camp at the moment, although I try to maintain an open mind and I weigh new evidence daily, and have read several well sourced scholarly books on the subject of the federal reserve/foreign central banks/council for foreign relations subjects.