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Our Slow-Motion Crisis

Becca and I just went through the process of buying the house that we have been renting for the past few years.  The experience has given me another distasteful brush with state laws and regulations.  Over the years, new laws have only been added, never subtracted, making this house purchase entirely different from the one I conducted only ten years ago.

Yesterday, a backhoe came into the yard to completely expose the septic tank covers (three of them), along with an element of the leach field, which took a lot of digging to find.  Why?  Because the state now requires an inspector to peer into these contraptions to assure that they are working, as part of something called "Title V" regulations.  Once everything was dug up, it took only a quick glance from the inspector, who had to sign off on a piece of paper before the sale could go through.

On the surface, how can one argue that having an inspected and functioning septic system is a bad thing?  However, the way the law is written, it only has to pass inspection at the time of sale.  Every sale.  If we decide to sell the house a week after we buy it, the whole process would have to be repeated.

This entire septic system was professionally designed and installed six years ago.  It has been pumped every year, with full documentation of every step.  But no matter.  The law requires the state inspector to be able to peer into the septic system's innards every time the house changes hands.  No exceptions.  So heavy machinery was brought in and the yard torn up.

We could live here for 25 more years, and we wouldn't have to go through this process again.  Or we could sell it in a week and have to do it all over again.  Never mind the fact that if a septic system is not functioning properly, the homeowners will undoubtedly be highly motivated to get it fixed.  And never mind that there are non-invasive ways to tell if a system is functioning properly.  Those factors are apparently irrelevant in the eyes of the law.

This tale is just a small, state-level story in one person's life.  But it is being replicated a thousandfold in a 2,200-page health care bill, a 1000-page Disability Act bill, a 340-page Patriot Act, and numerous other documents combining into more than 72,000 pages of rules and regulations to go along with more than 60,000 pages of tax code (up 44% in nine years). 

And that's just at the federal level.

How large is large enough?

All of these regulations represent a cost to administer and ensure compliance with.  A cost that we might do well to reconsider as this crisis unfolds.

Even as the federal government runs a magnificent 13% of GDP deficit, state governments are experiencing wrenching difficulties.  Such is the difference between having a printing press and not having one.

We'll cover some of the more compelling stories here at the state level, but I want to note that the larger story is nearly universally ignored.  Perhaps the time isn't right - hey, we're in a crisis, you know? - or perhaps the subject is too painful under any circumstances. 

But it needs to be discussed.

The fact of the matter is that state and federal governments are bloated and are entirely too large to be supported.  It would be a mistake to think that they've been viably supported up to this point and that if we could just get past the crisis perhaps they could be again.  The truth is that the current size of government has been significantly bought and paid for using debt financing.

Money has been borrowed, bonds have been floated, future tax receipts have been pre-sold, and so forth, and the proceeds have been used to create a larger government than could have been bought using tax receipts alone.

If we were to set a definition and agree that over the long run that government expenditures and tax receipts had to balance out (which is a very reasonable definition), then we'd have to conclude that either taxes have to go up a whole lot, or the size of government has to shrink.

Once we factor in a shrinking net energy surplus and our current debt levels, the outcome is all but assured - one way or another, more people will have to be productively employed.  But most government jobs either consume or redistribute wealth.  This is not casting any judgment on those jobs.  I like having clear water and safe workplaces.  But I am merely noting that with declining surplus energy and sky-high debt loads, the fact of the matter is that more people really need to be working in wealth-creating jobs than before.

How much of a shift are we talking about?  A very big one:

How the Government Is Swallowing the Economy

November 9, 2009

You know about the bailouts, the stimulus plan, cash for clunkers, and moola for mansions. But for all the anxiety they've caused, those government giveaways are just a tiny part of a mushrooming problem.

By one measure, the government already plays an outsize role in our so-called free-market economy—and it has little to do with the recession. Economist Gary Shilling has calculated that 58 percent of the population is dependent on the government for "major parts of their income," including teachers, soldiers, bureaucrats, and other government employees; welfare and Social Security recipients; government pensioners; public housing beneficiaries; and people who work for government contractors. By 2018, Shilling estimates, an astounding 67 percent of Americans could be dependent on the government for their livelihood. The implications aren't comforting.

If that happens, more than two thirds of the nation will owe their livelihood to the government, which is unsustainable for a number of reasons. It will require federal deficits far larger than the $1.4 trillion bogy we've got now, which is already alarmingly high. If irate voters don't rein in America's debt binge, market forces will, perhaps because foreigners will stop lending us the money or the rates they demand will rise and effectively bankrupt the country. Higher taxes would help solve the problem—and are probably inevitable—but enacting them on rich people alone won't be enough. At some point not too far off, the U.S. government will have to close the vast gap between its income and its spending, and the pain will be widespread.

What this study says is that if we remain on our current path, in less than ten years fully two-thirds of all Americans will be directly dependent on the government for their livelihoods.  I guess that leaves one-third working really hard and paying a lot of taxes.  Somehow I doubt that's going to fly without some sort of a revolt on the part of the remaining taxpayers.  Or our foreign creditors.  Or both.

Twice as Many Administering as Making

I think this chart, which compares the growth in government workers to the decline in manufacturing jobs, illuminates the entire situation perfectly:

Government employees now outnumber all manufacturing employees by 2:1.

Across all workers, for every 4.8 workers in any occupation, there is a government employee.

Said another way, if there were six houses on a street, five of them would have to earn enough to support the sixth plus pay sufficient taxes to cover all the public infrastructure and operating costs (roads, government vehicles, diesel, etc) for their neighborhood.

I imagine that if you were one of the five houses paying these expenses, and the family living in the sixth house showed up on your doorstep each week to collect their salary from you, you'd probably be pretty keen to know what they were doing for you during the work week.  But in our system, the true cost of this situation is deeply repressed by the fact that so much of the cost of carrying a 4.8:1 ratio is obscured by borrowed money.

The Underpaid Public Servant

Recently, the pleasant myth of the underpaid public servant was punctured by a study from the Commerce Department revealing that public servant average total compensation was twice as high as the average for civilian employees - nearly $120,000 compared to $60,000.

Myth of the underpaid public employee

Consider the lucrative lot of the men and women who work for Uncle Sam. In 2008, according to data from the Commerce Department’s Bureau of Economic Analysis, the 1.9 million civilian employees of the federal government earned an average salary of $79,197. The average private employee, by contrast, earned just $49,935. The difference between them came to more than $29,000 - a differential that has more than doubled since 2000.

Take account of total compensation - wages plus benefits - and the disparity is even more striking. In 2008, total federal civilian compensation averaged $119,982 - more than twice the $59,908 in wages and benefits earned by the average private-sector employee.

Again, without casting any particular judgment on this arrangement, I want to illustrate that such a system is thoroughly unsustainable.  If something is unsustainable, it will someday stop.  It is simply not possible to forever have twice as many people working in government as in manufacturing (while earning twice as much as average) and paying for the gap using debt financing.  Sooner or later, the mounting debts become unserviceable from the meager profits from the productive economy.

And the longer-term trend leads to two-thirds of all people in the land becoming dependent on government wealth redistribution policies by 2018.  Again, this is unsustainable.

Paying For It All

How does the government propose to pay for all this?  With new debt, of course:

$4.8 trillion - Interest on U.S. debt

Unless lawmakers make big changes, the interest Americans will have to pay to keep the country running over the next decade will reach unheard of levels.

November 19, 2009

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Here's a new way to think about the U.S. government's epic borrowing: More than half of the $9 trillion in debt that Uncle Sam is expected to build up over the next decade will be interest.

More than half. In fact, $4.8 trillion.

Since it really is not sustainable, advisable, or even possible to run up debts to higher and higher levels forever, it's only a matter of time before the issue gets decided by some sort of a funding emergency.

The question before us is this:  Do we want to work out a gentle resolution or a wrenching adjustment brought about by default and failure?

States of Distress

So far, at the state level, the answer seems to be, "Wrenching, please!"

Paterson: NYS Will Be Broke Before Christmas

Governor David Paterson called an unusual joint session of the Legislature Monday to implore recalcitrant lawmakers to close the state's huge budget gap before New York runs out of money.

To some lawmakers it's nothing more than a photo op to help Paterson get re-elected. But the governor is dead serious. He said if the Legislature doesn't cut the budget now the state could run out of money by next month.

"We're going to run out of cash in four and a half weeks. We are going to run out of money. Unless we do something about it, (it will) threaten generations," Paterson said.


Christie may declare a financial emergency

As he seeks concessions from state workers to balance his first budget, Gov.-elect Chris Christie is examining the possibility of declaring a financial emergency in the state, according to an official familiar with his plans.

Such a declaration -- invoking the same law as if New Jersey were hit by a natural disaster -- could give Christie broad powers, such as suspending rules governing state worker layoffs. With many state workers due to receive two raises in the next fiscal year and a no-layoff pledge in place through December 2010, Christie's transition team expects to tackle the issue before he takes office Jan. 19, two of his advisers said yesterday.

 

10 states face looming budget disasters

SACRAMENTO, Calif. – In Arizona, the budget has grown so gloomy that lawmakers are considering mortgaging Capitol buildings. In Michigan, state officials dealing with the nation's highest unemployment rate are slashing spending on schools and health care. Drastic financial remedies are no longer limited to California, where a historic budget crisis earlier this year grew so bad that state agencies issued IOUs to pay bills.

A study released Wednesday warned that at least nine other big states are also barreling toward economic disaster, raising the likelihood of higher taxes, more government layoffs and deep cuts in services.

The report by the Pew Center on the States found that Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon, Rhode Island and Wisconsin are also at grave risk. Double-digit budget gaps, rising unemployment, high foreclosure rates and built-in budget constraints are the key reasons.

Through all of these recent articles, I cannot find a single mention of the idea that the size of government has outgrown the economy.  Certainly there are aggressive actions to slash spending to bring it in line with revenues (states have to do that by law in most cases), but where is the deeper conversation about how much is enough, or whether we perhaps have too much?

Instead, I sense the same sort of bewildered confusion that one might expect at the end of an age where the participants cannot see any other way but the past.  A past defined by an ever-increasing number of regulations, incrementally boosted each year with new bodies hired to administrate them, often without any seeming regard to the costs imposed upon the productive (tax paying) side of the economy.

My preference here would be to seek savings, not by trimming a little from each and every state and government function, but by asking the harder (and better) question about whether there could be entire departments or functions that have outlived their usefulness.

Are there no laws that we can trim or eliminate?  Do we need 150,000 pages of rules and taxes to administer ourselves?  Could we do it with 'only' 100,000?  How much would we save in both compliance and administration if we judiciously axed a few rules?  Are there no government functions that are the responsibility of citizens?  Does it make sense to have a tax code so massive and convoluted that even the IRS often has no clue how it works?

It seems to me that the federal government, along with every state, ought to periodically scrub through the books to see what can be eliminated.

My Proposal

Part one of my proposal is to cap all the rules, and their costs, at their current levels.  No more rules can be added without subtracting some others.  Call this part "Cap 'n Trade," which already has some brand essence floating around the halls of power.

This part is quite simple.  If a new rule about, say, inspecting every septic tank at the homeowner's expense is deemed desirable, then an offsetting rule, or set of rules, covering the home sale process need to be scrapped to bring the overall burden of governing ourselves down to its current level.

Part two of my proposal calls for eliminating old, unnecessary, and arcane rules.  Call this part the "Good Housekeeping" proposal.  The idea here is to scrub out all the rules and regulations that made sense in a past world, but not the current one.  This should be relatively quick and easy.

Part three of my proposal calls for shrinking the role of government back to a level that appears to be affordable over the long-haul.  A well-run company would never dream of having a management and overhead structure that consumed 40% of all revenues.  Why should the cost of government be any different?  The level I propose as a starting target is that government should consume no more than 20% of revenues.

Benefits

The benefits to adopting these proposals run far deeper than saving a lot of money.  First, they will create a more livable society, where the average person could at least reasonably start a business or run their life without potentially unknowingly being in conflict with myriad laws.

Second, we'd be more competitive on the global landscape.  It is not reasonable to expect US businesses to compete with countries that choose not to adopt a 40% regulatory and overhead burden structure.

Third, the notion of competing priorities would return to the legislative landscape.  For now, there seems to be no restraint at all on spending.  Health care?  Sure, we'll take a trillion more of that.  Afghanistan?  Sure, send in a bunch more troops.  Deficit spending?  Absolutely, can't live without that.  Military bases in 140+ countries?  Yes, we'll do that too.

The idea of having to cut out old rules and regulations to make way for new ones would create an entirely different sort of conversation and return the concept of setting priorities to the discussion.  For far too long, we've had neither restraint nor active debate and discussion in our decision making.  (Ever watch C-Span and see the nearly empty chambers during each 'debate'?)

Conclusion

We are heading towards a massive funding crisis.  Our self-imposed administrative and regulatory burden is too high.  We can solve both by developing a more rational and cost-sensitive approach to both the number of regulations and the overall size of government.

If we do not, then two out of every three Americans will be dependent on the government for their livelihood in ten years or so.  That is not a sustainable situation and could easily lead to a revolt of sorts among the remaining few being asked to carry the whole weight.  For now, those 'bagholders' happen to be future generations, because we've chosen to mask the true costs with debt.

But debts must always be eventually repaid.

A first act of 'good faith' would be for the state and federal governments to develop a sensible plan for bringing the cost of government into alignment with our actual productive economy.  Capping and then reducing the enormous sets of rules would be an excellent first set of steps.

I would vastly prefer to avoid a massive funding crisis, especially if it's obviously coming and we can head it off at the pass. 

If it's clear that we need to reduce the size and cost of government, isn't now a better time to begin addressing that than later?

I plan on asking all of my representatives, now and on the campaign trail, what they are doing to reduce the size and cost of government.  I encourage you to do the same.

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One more thing, you can't just privatize everything. The most glaring example would be the water and wastewater services. Obviously for a free market system to work, the customer needs to be able to punish the service provider or seller by not purchasing the service or product and taking his business elsewhere. With water, sewer, electricity, or natural gas service, you are limited to one infrastructure, so the logical arrangement is for those services to be operated by the government.

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With water, sewer, electricity, or natural gas service, you are limited to one infrastructure,

Not true.  I happen to have a well, a septic tank, natural gas and electricity provided by our local utilities.  Some of my neighbors have propane, city water, and city sewer.  I'm in the process of putting in a large Thermal solar array for heat and a large PV system for electricity, and many of my neighbors have done some of these as well.  So none of these services you listed have to be public sector.

In fact in even more densely populated areas you can easily have alternative solutions from different providers.  For example many metropolitain areas now have multiple cable, phone, internet providers.  Granted water, sewer, gas, electric have higher costs associated with multiple providers but it can be done.

The main thing with private companies is they either have to perform or go bankrupt.  If they fail financially then someone else buys up the assets and hopefully does a better job.  With public there is no incentive to do well particularly since they can always count on a taxpayer "bailout".  You also end up with distortions, for example, if we actually had competition how many other inovative ways could some of these services be provided?  Just look at television: we used to have broadcast, now we have C-band satellite (dead), digital satellite (multiple providers), cable, microwave, wireless, phone provider based (ie. fios),data over high voltage electric.  We also see phone  and internet across all these methods as well.  Why, because if you as a consumer get fed up enough with one, you can change and vote with your dollars.

While we talk about competition, this is also why you don't want a strong federal government and you want most services resolved at the local or state levels. Because if you don't like one you can move to a different city/state.  It is much hard to move to a different country although if it gets bad enough people do make that choice as well. 

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It's been interesting reading all the comments and reactions to this article.

My main point was not to say "there's no value to government services" as some interpreted.  Nor was I bashing local government and services as others thought.

Instead, I intended to spark a discussion about the observation that the it really does not make sense to have 2 people drawing a government paycheck for every one person working in manufacturing.  Further, with every passing year we overly complicate our lives by adding more and more rules and regulations without ever seeming to stop and ask "do we have too many?  How many are too many?"

At what point is the sheer size of government no longer a help but a hindrance?   Certainly we can all agree that zero government (Somalia) is not a suitable condition in today's world while we can also hopefully agree that having 100% of the economy consumed by government spending would also be an undesirable state of affairs.

The point here is actually have an open, fact-based discussion about the proper size of government.  I have put a stake in the ground and made the case that the US government (state, federal, local) is now past the point of being either suitable or sustainable and so it will (and should) shrink.

It's really just a matter of assessing our priorities and making hard choices, both of which will be features of our future whether we wish them to be or not.  So why not start now while time and resources exist to have those discussions?

I'd rather do this before a major funding crisis causes a disaster-spree of hacks and cuts to necessary services even as relatively or entirely unnecessary ones are funded and preserved.

 

 

 

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At what point is the sheer size of government no longer a help but a hindrance?

 

Chris,

You are right on the money with all your comments and I thank you for them.  Having two small family owned businesses, most people have never had the experience of dealing with the local, state and federal governments.  We deal with all three every week and it is rare that the experience is nice and/or helpful.  The general public has no idea how the laws and regulations have increased each year and the time it takes a business to deal with them and comply.  All this time and money used to deal with the government could be used instead to increase profit and hire more employees instead of being overhead.  Unfortunately, there seems no end in sight.

I feel the focus has been lost that we, the taxpayer, are the customers and need to be treated as such in customer service and the laws and regulations in this country.

As business owners, we cannot think of any reason why someone would want to start a small business in today's envirnoment and that is truly a sad statement for this country.

As always, thank you, Becca, your family and staff for your wonderful work and your time!  Teresa

 

 

 

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cmartenson wrote:

The point here is actually have an open, fact-based discussion about the proper size of government.  I have put a stake in the ground and made the case that the US government (state, federal, local) is now past the point of being either suitable or sustainable and so it will (and should) shrink.

Jefferson said, “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.”

After 232 years, I think it's pretty clear, we're looking at another exponential curve here!

Here's a short easy article that puts things in historical perspective, and in my view, does an excellent  job of  explaining the very natural, if unfortunate process by which  we got into this mess. The article explains, not only the inevitable tendency for government to grow, but also the unfortunate tendency for it to become captured by special interests. It also features some remarkably prescient observations by Alexis de Tocqueville, who even in the absence of monopoly public education and the corporate media, cynics like me like to blame, pessimistically predicted we would be "reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd." Sheeple anyone?! The guy had us pegged 175 years ago!

As I see it, we've long forgotten how to govern ourselves. Just as de Tocqueville predicted, we've become wholly absorbed in our own private affairs, leaving governing to "others." And so naturally, rent seeking special interest groups have all too generously moved in and assumed that responsibility for us.

http://pmcms.socialsecurityinstitute.com/news/essays/totalitarianism-in-democracy-tyranny-by-committee/

From the article:

Dr. Lawrence A. Hunter Ph.D. wrote:

... Yet, here is the conundrum, the great contradiction of democracy in America today: Despite the widespread agreement that government in 21st-century America is too large, people from all points on the political compass also expect government to solve their personal problems, guarantee them financial, employment and healthcare security, deliver an ever-increasing array of “public services,” enforce egalitarian precepts of fairness in institutions public and private, manage the economy, police the world and even control the global climate. How is it that Americans hold such contradictory views about government, complaining bitterly about its size, scope and reach while perversely encouraging politicians to grow it even bigger and more enveloping with each passing year?

French philosopher and author Alexis de Tocqueville untangled this contradiction while visiting the United States a half century after the founding of the Great American Experiment. In his classic work Democracy In America, de Tocqueville explained how and why the “natural progress of things” of which Jefferson spoke operates as a ratchet toward a new type of despotism in a democracy. De Tocqueville observed: "It is in the nature of all governments to seek constantly to enlarge their sphere of action; hence it is almost impossible that such a government should not ultimately succeed, because it acts with a fixed principle and a constant will upon men whose position, ideas, and desires are constantly changing."

In a democracy, de Tocqueville contended, the electorate actually will facilitate the growth of government even though the vast majority of citizens desire just the opposite:"Democratic eras are periods of experiment, innovation, and adventure. There is always a multitude of men engaged in difficult or novel undertakings, which they follow by themselves without shackling themselves to their fellows. Such persons will admit, as a general principle, that the public authority ought not to interfere in private concerns; but, by an exception to that rule, each of them craves its assistance in the particular concern on which he is engaged and seeks to draw upon the influence of the government for his own benefit, although he would restrict it on all other occasions. If a large number of men applies this particular exception to a great variety of different purposes, the sphere of the central power extends itself imperceptibly in all directions, although everyone wishes it to be circumscribed."

One-and-a-quarter centuries later, the Public-Choice School of economics emerged, beginning with Nobel Laureate J. Kenneth Arrow’s great work Social Choice and Individual Values and followed by the seminal work of James Buchanan (also a Nobel Laureate) and Gordon Tullock, The Calculus of Consent. Public-Choice scholars formalized the insights of De Tocqueville and the American Founding Fathers regarding the failure of majority rule to achieve the public interest (what they called the General Welfare) but instead to generate factions and rent seeking, which act as a political dynamo constantly inflating the size and reach of government and transforming government from a public trust into a special interest.

Again, de Tocqueville succinctly summarized the nature of the problem in a democracy, especially in a commercial democracy such as he found developing in America:"Private life is so busy, so excited, so full of wishes and of work, that hardly any energy or leisure remains to each individual for public life...[that] men can never, without an effort, tear themselves from their private affairs to engage in public business…[Thus people abandon the public business] to the sole visible and permanent representative of the interests of the community; that is to say, to the state…The love of public tranquility is frequently the only passion which these nations retain [which] naturally disposes the members of the community constantly to give or to surrender additional rights to the central power."

This central authority, de Tocqueville lamented, becomes a velvet despotism in which: "Power is absolute, minute, regular, provident and mild...For their [citizens’] happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?" 

The result, de Tocqueville concluded, is emergence of an enervating Leviathan that: "After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd." ...

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Thanks Chris,

I think your points regarding responsible sized governments points out to me what is the greatest threat to our country.

California has an 84 Billion dollar budget.  Depending on what estimates you read, they are increasing debt at about the rate of 7 - 15 Billion per year.  By next year, CA looks to be roughly 20 Bln in debt.  I know these numbers are rough...but my point is:

Its almost funny that all they need to do is reduce spending by 12% to balance their budget?  Really?  How many American families and businesses have had to scale back by more?  That is really not a big deal.  Whats scarry is that they cant seem to even cut 5%.  Whats scary is that all they do is prolong difficult decisions.  Whats scary is that if they dont make those cuts, the whole country is likely to pay. 

California will be interesting - as so goes California so might go the country.  I dont know that folks from more responsible states will allow for a federal bailout of California.  I dont know how anyone living in Colorado or Texas (as random examples of more fiscally responsible states) will allow their federal tax dollars or their federal debt dollars to go to bailing out a state that cant even cut 12% of their bloated budget. 

My guess is that by mid next year you will start seeing people not only angry at their federal government as they already are, but angry at their neighboring states.  I  find it unreal that the federal government has adopted different durations for unemployment benefits depending on which state you live in (yes, the worse off the state the more welfare you get).  This cant last and continue - as at some point those who have acted with prudence will tire and then become enraged at paying for all those who spend spend spend.  Why does a guy out of luck in CA get more months of unemployment than someone in CO?  That is absurd. 

We all know the federal government is likely to come to the aid of CA and NY....the question is will that be the straw that breaks the camels back...

 

 

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I've been reading all this stuff with interest, but not commenting, it's all americacentric and irelevant ot me anyway. What has puzzled me ever since I got involved with this site is how much Americans love to bash their governments!  And I mean bash for over reaching, because of course here in Australia we love to bash our governments too, but it's usually for not doing enough...  For instance, there is currently an outcry because the State gov wants to sell some assets like the rail network.  And I mean like 80% or more of the people are totally against it, ditto with electricty grid.....

So I started wondering why our two quite similar cultures vary so much on this particular point, and I now think it might be because the USA is too big a country, too unwieldy to "govern"  Of course I could be wrong, I'm just putting this forward as an explanation.  Another symptom of "too many people"?

Whilst we have far smaller governments here (notwithstanding our state government amalgamating some of our city councils to turn them into, yes, unmanagable super councils which have been raising taxes!) we too are prone to stupid regulations. Like the plumbing department naking me replace all my 1/2 inch cold water feeder pipes with 3/4 inch stuff, a reg brought in because people are building ridiculously large mcmansions with multiple bathrooms and toilets.  Our toilet doesn't even flush for goodness sake!

So now we use more water than we used to.... and I pleaded sustainability (as opposed to insanity :-) ) to try and stop them..... to no avail.

Mike

 

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Damnthematrix wrote:

I've been reading all this stuff with interest, but not commenting, it's all americacentric and irelevant ot me anyway. What has puzzled me ever since I got involved with this site is how much Americans love to bash their governments!  And I mean bash for over reaching, because of course here in Australia we love to bash our governments too, but it's usually for not doing enough...   ...

So I started wondering why our two quite similar cultures vary so much on this particular point, and I now think it might be because the USA is too big a country, too unwieldy to "govern"  ...

Mike

Surely you don't  think this site is representative of the general public? Because unfortunately, most Americans are probably a lot more like Australians. In fact, they seem to think it's the government's job to solve all our problems - and the rest of the world's too. That's how we got into this mess! Many people, particularly those among the 40% or so who don't pay taxes, don't seem to understand that everything the government gives,  it has to take away from someone else first. And of course, as de Tocqueville pointed out, even when Americans do prefer smaller government, they still want it to be active on behalf of THEIR particular cause. And so it grows anyway. I tend to doubt there's much of a difference between Americans and Australians in this regard. 

But I think you may have a point about the USA being too big and unwieldy to govern. Even at the time of it's inception, when it was a much smaller country, it was never the intention of the founders (except Hamilton) to have such a powerful central government, but rather a federation with more power residing in the states. I also have to cynically wonder whether our government may just be more fully captured and corrupted than any other, because it represents by far the biggest prize (the highest rent) to the rent seekers (banks,multinational corporations, etc.). Also the privileged status of the dollar as the world's reserve currency allows our government to print that much more recklessly, paying for it's bloated programs through inflation and generational theft more shamelessly than any other country.

But I'm also surprised you find this to be irrelevant over in Australia. To one who is obviously very concerned about climate change and peak oil, I would think our nearly trillion dollar "defense" policy and our primary role in promoting globalism, which in my view exacerbates poverty and facilitates far cheaper resource extraction, affects the entire world very dramatically, not just Americans.    

Greg

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Sorry if I didn't express myself properly Greg, when I said irrelevant , I was strictly speaking of the American government bashing...

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 ... unfortunately, most Americans are probably a lot more like Australians. ...

Mike 

Speaking of expressing one's self properly, I'm not sure this came out exactly right!

But you know what I mean

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